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Compressor Leakage Message

Last post 10-17-2012, 8:39 PM by bratliff. 12 replies.
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  •  11-17-2010, 4:02 PM 2996

    Compressor Leakage Message

    Has any had a "compressor leakage message" to continuously pop up while running simulation.  I have the latest software version and my valve is closed.  I have opened him up and checked all his connections and can't find where air is leaking.  Any suggestions?  I contacted Laerdal and the told me things to try but it has not helped.  Thanks.
    Kendall Commodore AAS, RRT, RCP
    Instructor
    Pitt Community College
    1986 Pitt Tech Road
    Winterville, NC 28590
  •  11-17-2010, 4:15 PM 2998 in reply to 2996

    Re: Compressor Leakage Message

    Yeah I have a few times but they have been on scenarios where my respiratory rates have been higher (generally 30 or above) where the compressor is working overtime and it thinks it is running too much.  I havn't done much about it other then hook in a regular SimMan compressor when I need it to be working all day (12 hours+)


    Patrick S. Underwood
    BS CCEMT-P NREMT-P
    Simulation Coordinator
    Southern Maine Community College
    South Portland, ME 04106
    (207)741-5604
  •  11-17-2010, 7:26 PM 3000 in reply to 2998

    Re: Compressor Leakage Message

    I would suggest that you have a leak. If the unit is still under warranty, ask to send it back in for repair. If not, you can try to isolate areas of the manikin by clamping off or disconnecting the air hoses to various parts of the body until you stop the message from popping up. One area that we see alot of blow-outs in is the chest rise bladders. Ours seem to pop every so often.
    Brian Florek, BS, EMT-P
    Simulation Systems Engineer
    Center for Education in Medicine
    Feinberg School of Medicine
    Northwestern University
  •  11-17-2010, 7:37 PM 3002 in reply to 3000

    Re: Compressor Leakage Message

    Patrick, we have had the same problem, and like you I believe we have isolated the cause to be high repsirations.

    Laerdal has replaced the compressor twice and same problem, so I do feel fairly confident it is not the compressor, but the respirations, as you say usually over 30. I am pleased (in a way) to see someone else have this problem. I began to think it was an operator error on my part, and Laerdal Tech got pretty tired of me complaining!

    External compressor is best for the sces with high resp.

    Dorothy


    Dorothy Cook
    Pima Community College
    Tucson, Arizona
    Nursing Simulation Lab Specialist

  •  11-18-2010, 9:44 AM 3004 in reply to 3002

    Re: Compressor Leakage Message

    Hi

    There is a short description on how to determine if there is a leakage in the system on another thread: http://simulation.laerdal.com/forum/forums/thread/2799.aspx.

    Regards,

    Bjørge


    Bjørge Norrud
    Laerdal Medical
  •  10-02-2011, 5:55 AM 3835 in reply to 3002

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    Re: Compressor Leakage Message

    We just shipped out 3 G back to laerdal for this and several other issues. we tried to find the leak over the phone with no luck, This sounds like its an ongoing issue for many of us. I hope laerdal figures out the reason and finds  fix for the rest of us.

     

    Michelle

  •  10-03-2011, 11:38 PM 3842 in reply to 3835

    Re: Compressor Leakage Message

    Some of the time we get compressor leak messages when we are running cases with elevated respiratory rates. Other times we seem to have a phantom problem that goes away on its own. We have had one compressor go bad, but we think it was an isolated issue. I am happy to hear Laerdal is helping you out with the problem.

    Brian Florek, BS, EMT-P
    Simulation Systems Engineer
    Center for Education in Medicine
    Feinberg School of Medicine
    Northwestern University
  •  10-05-2011, 9:03 PM 3855 in reply to 3842

    Re: Compressor Leakage Message

    Here is an interesting point I have noticed. We have had and still have the compressor leak messages on our 3G, which I just ignore now. But we have not had any leakage messages while operating SimEssential. So perhaps Laerdal discovered some issues with 3G and fixed them in SimEssential.

    Dorothy


    Dorothy Cook
    Pima Community College
    Tucson, Arizona
    Nursing Simulation Lab Specialist

  •  01-20-2012, 4:21 AM 4114 in reply to 3000

    Re: Compressor Leakage Message

    I have also recently had frequent compressor leakage messages and finally traced it back to a blown chest rise bladder. I've never noticed it on high resp rate scenarios.
    Tommy Leblanc-Beaudoin
    tleblancbeaudoin@gmail.com
  •  01-20-2012, 9:45 PM 4118 in reply to 4114

    Re: Compressor Leakage Message

    There is a known issue with the storage tank in the leg. Many have been found to be leaking. If your mannequin is still under warranty I would call and ask for instructions on a leakdown test. If the leg still leaks, you should ask for a new one before the compressor gives out.

    Brian Florek, BS, EMT-P
    Simulation Systems Engineer
    Center for Education in Medicine
    Feinberg School of Medicine
    Northwestern University
  •  10-10-2012, 12:12 AM 4663 in reply to 4118

    Re: Compressor Leakage Message

    Brian, how would i know its in the leg?  I can hear a light hissing sound coming from the leg.  It's completely closed at this time and it's not as loud as when i'm opening the leg to shut the sim man down.  I guess what i'm trying to ask is, if the light hissing sound normal.
  •  10-10-2012, 2:50 AM 4664 in reply to 2996

    Re: Compressor Leakage Message

    Hello

    We also had this meesage many times, and I watched various messages on this forum. Although there may be several causes of this, one you definitely need to know about is that all the compressors have a technical fault which makes them crack and leak over time.

    This makes the message pop up even if everything else is fine, and it didnt seem a problem at first but then other things started happening which could be traced back to the leak making the compressor work hard all the time, even when scenario is paused.

    eg losing instructor connection with the manikin - manikin was overheating, using up battery time superfast, pharyngeal obstruction and cervical stiffness not working properly because compressor couldnt hold enough pressure at a late stage of failure, and of course those annoying messages popping up.

    We were unhappy of course, and were eventually told about the cracking as a known fault, and the reedesigned compressor (means a whole new leg) was installed as soon as our local Laerdal got one from Norway, with resolution of the above problems - hurrah!

    It seems though that this information has not been given automatically to all 3G owners. Whether or not your problem is due to compressor failure, and whether or not it is still under warranty, your compressor should be replaced with the new design (free).

     Regards

    Jane

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  •  10-17-2012, 8:39 PM 4671 in reply to 4664

    Re: Compressor Leakage Message

    This should be corrected with the upgrades to 3G, we are all supposed to get new legs in addition to stronger wireless and new programming.  If you have not had your upgrade scheduled you need to call your salesperson. Our 3Gs aren't perfect, but are much more reliable now and no leakage warnings!
    Barbara K. Ratliff RN, BSN, MBA, CHSE
    Baptist Health Montgomery, AL
    Institute for Patient Safety
    and Medical Simulation
    Simulation Specialist
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